i really -- when i teach constitutional law and i deal with the issue offed sodomy and the laws against it in the united states, i ask the students why was it banned? okay? it's not just -- sodomy applies to both homo sexual intercourse, and i asked why was it banned in the united states? it was a dearly held belief, in which i share, which is when people get together to express love through sexuality, it should be an expression of love and not just the need to have a physical release because when -- we're using another human being for our own pleasure. i find that immoral, all right? however, it is absolutely true that what you're talking about does -- is not an effective form of birth control as what is provided through other scientific means. i can't sit here and let you say it's valid. everything i read shows me not. people shouldn't have sex just to have sex. on the other hand, that doesn't mean they shouldn't protect their family and children from having more pregnancies than they can support: when i look at the poverty in the world in africa, asia, and south america, i'm appalled